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Castor IV
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.06 13:14:00 -
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Edited by: Castor IV on 06/10/2006 13:15:59
As I understand it from what GMs are saying is that a entity that not holds the sovereignty of a system (which only alliance can do) is not supposed to be able to lock and shoot the station. This would mean that 0utbreak should never have been able to conquere the station in the first place. RISE where supposed to be the only entity allowed to shoot the station. Although every one can have their own opinions if thats right or wrong one thing is crystal clear here. RISE still had to shoot the station to claim it.
And this is where 0utbreak got screwed by the GMs. Because no one can say that the game mechanics are suppose to allow you to shoot the station in peace without a interference of a third party. A entity shooting the station puts itself always in danger of getting shoot at. And thats exacly what 0utbreak was there to do. RISE where suppose to claim the station by shooting it and 0utbreak was there to make that job as difficult as possible all within game mechanics.
And what happens, RISE gets the station handed to them without firing a single shoot at it.
This is the reward you get for staying up to 6 AM in the morning to get a fight just to find out you get screwed by 'External force' without any power to do anything about it. 
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Castor IV
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.06 13:49:00 -
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 Originally by: vache
When this is the case, only that alliance can fire upon the station. Quote:
Quite true and how many shoots did you fire at the station to claim it for RISE??
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Castor IV
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.06 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Garramon
So, in conclusion, stop accusing RISE of doing something ghey or underhanded. A peition is perfectly valid and bugs happen.
What a utter BS, the only possible bug which is debatable is if 0utbreak was allowed to shoot the station or not. And dont forget that the station was in the hands of a neutral entity, not in any alliance. Even so Rise that holds sov over the system still had to shoot the station shields to claim it. Somehow they could not rise to the task and had the station given to them on a silver platter without firing a single shoot at it.
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Castor IV
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.06 15:25:00 -
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Edited by: Castor IV on 06/10/2006 15:32:48
Edited by: Castor IV on 06/10/2006 15:30:02
I think many with me would like a DEV to comment on what exacly is the bug in the scenario that took place in 9-4.
FACTS ARE:
1. A alliance holds sov over the system
2. A now neutral corporation once in the alliance holds the station.
Game mechanics say the station is conquereble.
Who can lock and fire on the station ?
1. Only the alliance that holds system sov. ?
2. Anyone in the game ?
Follow up question, if the answer on the first question is that everyone can shoot the station.
1. What is suppose to happen when the last fired shoot at the station that decides who will claim the station is made by the neutral entity and not the alliance corp that holds sov in the system.?
I think the EVE community is entiteled to a DEV response and clarification of game mechanics on this issue.
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Castor IV
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.06 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: vache
Edited by: vache on 06/10/2006 15:53:06
Here are the facts that have occured:
The corp that held the station for RISE was leaving the alliance to go elsewhere. When they left the alliance officially, they were still the station managers because if they were automaticllay removed and no one installed the station would have no manager, therefore the station could not be conquered by game mechanics because you need someone to take it from.
Now this is where the bug comes in. Outbreak fired upon the station before RISE did and somehow claimed it. The reason RISE did not rush to fire first was becasue, according to game mechanics, no entity other than the alliance holding sovereignty of the system (if sovereignty has been established) may fire upon and conquer the station.
Upon realising that a corp had taken the station that was not under the umbrella of sovereignty that RISE has in the system, it was petitioned to get it changed back into Rise hands since it was an exploit of a game bug.
For a corp that says they want nothing to do with alliance warfare / POS warfare, ye sure are doing alot of complaining.
**Edit for spelling
Now I can understand why you petiotion since it would seem to me from your post you dont no **** how the station/system/sov mechanics work.
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